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FCC Approved Frequencies for R/C Use in the US

  • 27 MHz Band (Aircraft/Car/Boat)
  • 50 MHz Band (Aircraft/Car/Boat)
  • 53 MHz Band(Aircraft/Car/Boat)
  • 72 MHz Band(Aircraft ONLY)     Club Frequency Survey Chart
  • 75 MHz Band(Car/Boat ONLY)
  • Battery Charging Infomation
  • Ni-cad Charging/Discharging Instructions
  • Ni-MH Charging/Discharging Instructions

  • Emergency Safety Alert: Lithium Battery Fires
    (Added 4/23/04)

    Lithium batteries are becoming very popular for powering the control and power systems in our models. This is true because of their very high energy density (amp-hrs/wt. ratio) compared to Nickel Cadmium (Ni-Cds) or other batteries. With high energy comes increased risk in their use.
    The principal risk is fire which can result from improper charging, crash damage, or shorting the batteries. All vendors of these batteries warn their customers of this danger and recommend extreme caution in their use.
    In spite of this many fires have occurred as a result of the use of Lithium Polymer (Li-Poly) batteries, resulting in loss of models, automobiles, and other property. Homes and garages and workshops have also burned.
    A lithium battery fire is very hot (several thousand degrees) and is an excellent initiator for ancillary (resulting) fires. Fire occurs due to contact between lithium and oxygen in the air. It does not need any other source of ignition or fuel to start, and burns almost explosively.
    These batteries must be used in a manner that precludes ancillary fire. The following is recommended:
    1. Store and charge in a fireproof container, never in your model.
    2. Charge in a protected area devoid of combustibles. Always stand watch over the charging process. Never leave the charging process unattended.
    3. In the event of damage from crashes, etc., carefully remove to a safe place for at least a half hour to observe. Physically damaged cells could erupt into flame. After sufficient time to ensure safety, damaged cells should be discarded in accordance with the instructions which came with the batteries. Never attempt to charge a cell with physical damage regardless of how slight.
    4. Always use chargers designed for the specific purpose, preferably having a fixed setting for your particular pack. Many fires occur in using selectable/adjustable chargers improperly set. Never attempt to charge lithium cells with a charger that is not specifically designed for charging lithium cells. Never use chargers designed for Ni-Cd batteries.
    5. Use charging systems that monitor and control the charge state of each cell in the pack. Unbalanced cells can lead to disaster if it permits overcharge of a single cell in the pack. If the batteries show any sign of swelling, discontinue charging and remove them to a safe place—outside—as they could erupt into flames.
    6. Most important: NEVER PLUG IN A BATTERY AND LEAVE IT TO CHARGE UNATTENDED OVERNIGHT. Serious fires have resulted from this practice.
    7. Do not attempt to make your own battery packs from individual cells.
    These batteries cannot be handled and charged casually such as has been the practice for years with other types of batteries. The consequence of this practice can be very serious and result in major property damage and/ or personal harm.
    AMA Safety Committee

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    After you have test-flown and done the initial trim changes to the aircraft, use the trim chart below to begin trimming your airplane. Following and adhering to this chart will result in the ability to diagnose trim problems and correct those problems using the simple adjustments shown below. Making these observations and related corrections will result in a straighter and truer flying airplane.

    TRIM FEATURE

    MANEUVER

    OBSERVATION

    CORRECTION

    Control Centering

    Fly general circles and random maneuvers

    Try for hands-off, straight and level flight

    Readjust control linkages so the transmitter trim levers are centered

    Control Throws

    Fly random maneuvers

    A) Too sensitive, jerky controls

    B) Not sufficent control

    If A) Adjust linkages to reduce control throws

    If B) Adjust linkages to increase control throws

    Motor Thrust Angle*

    From straight and level flight, chop the throttle quickly

    A) Airplane continues in a level path for a short distance

    B) Airplane pitches nose up

    C) Airplane pitches nose down

    If A) Engine thrust angle is correct

    If B) Decrease down-thrust

    If C) Increase down-thrust

    Center of gravity and longitudinal Balance

    From level flight, roll to a 45` bank and neutralize the controls

    A) Airplane continues in the bank for a moderate distance

    B) The nose of the airplane pitches up

    C) The nose of the airplane  

    If A) Trim settings are good

    If B) Add nose weight

    If C) remove nose weight

    Yaw**

    Do inside loops using elevator. Repeat test doing outside loops from an inverted entry.

    A) Wing is level throughout

    B) Yaws to right in both inside and out side loops

    C) Yaws to left in  both inside and out side loops

    D) Yaws to the right  both inside and out side loops

    E) Yaws to the in inside loops and yaws to the right in outside loops

    If A) Trim settings are good

    If B) Add left rudder trim

    If C) Add right rudder trim

    If D) Add left aileron trim

    If E) Add right aileron trim

    Lateral Balance

    Into the wind, do tight inside loops

    A) Wing is level and plane falls to either side

    B) Plane fall off to the left in loops. Worsens as loops tighten

    C) PLane fall off to the right in loops.  Worsens as loops tighten

    If A) Trim Setting are good

    If B) Add weight to the right wing tip

    If C) Add weight to the left wing tip

    Aileron Rigging

    With the wing level, pull to a vertical climb and neutralize the controls.

    A) Climb continues along the same path

    B) Nose tends to go toward an inside loop

    C) Nose tends to go towards an outside loop

    If A) Trim Setting are good

    If B) Raise both ailerons very slightly

    If C) Lower both ailerons very slightly

    * Motor thrust angle and center of gravity interact. Check both.

    ** Yaw and lateral balance produce similar symptoms. Make certain both elevator halves are even with each other and that they both produce the same amount of control deflection throughout the complete deflection range. Right and left referances are as if you were in the cockpit.

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    #27 MHz Band
    (Aircraft/Car/Boat)

    FREQUENCY COLOR CHANNEL
    26.995
    Brown
    1
    27.045
    Red
    2
    27.095
    Orange
    3
    27.145
    Yellow
    4
    27.195
    Green
    5
    27.255
    Blue
    6


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    50 MHz Band
    (Aircraft/Car/Boat)

    FREQUENCY CHANNEL
    50.800
    RC00
    50.820
    RC01
    50.840
    RC02
    50.860
    RC03
    50.880
    RC04
    50.900
    RC05
    50.920
    RC06
    50.940
    RC07
    50.960
    RC08
    50.980
    RC09


     

    FCC amateur license, Technician or better required. Receiver must meet SFA & AMA Guidelines for operaion at 20 KHz channel spacing. Channels are recognized by the ARRL Band Plan for R/C operation. However, check with your local Ham club since they may have their own band plan.

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    53 MHz Band
    (Aircraft/Car/Boat)

    FREQUENCY COLOR
    53.100
    Black-Brown
    53.200
    Black-Red
    53.300
    Black-Orange
    53.400
    Black-Yellow
    53.500
    Black-Green
    53.600
    Black-Blue
    53.700
    Black-Violet
    53.800
    Black-Gray


     

    FCC amateur license, Technician or better required. The 53 MHz spot frequencies may be subject to possible interference by Amateur repeaters. Check with your local Ham club for their Repeater directory.

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    72 MHz Band
    (Aircraft ONLY)

    FREQUENCY CHANNEL
    72.010
    11
    72.030
    12
    72.050
    13
    72.070
    14
    72.090
    15
    72.110
    16
    72.130
    17
    72.150
    18
    72.170
    19
    72.190
    20
    72.210
    21
    72.230
    22
    72.250
    23
    72.270
    24
    72.290
    25
    72.310
    26
    72.330
    27
    72.350
    28
    72.370
    29
    72.390
    30
    72.410
    31
    72.430
    32
    72.450
    33
    72.470
    34
    72.490
    35
    72.510
    36
    72.530
    37
    72.550
    38
    72.570
    39
    72.590
    40
    72.610
    41
    72.630
    42
    72.650
    43
    72.670
    44
    72.690
    45
    72.710
    46
    72.730
    47
    72.750
    48
    72.770
    49
    72.790
    50
    72.810
    51
    72.830
    52
    72.850
    53
    72.870
    54
    72.890
    55
    72.910
    56
    72.930
    57
    72.950
    58
    72.970
    59
    72.990
    60


     

    All of our 72 MHz channels are assigned by the FCC for R/C aircraft operation only! They are sole user channels. However, pager and other commercial transmitters can operate at 10 KHz either side of an R/C channel. If they are strong enough, they can cause interference to an R/C aircraft receiver.

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    75 MHz Band
    (Car/Boat ONLY)

    FREQUENCY CHANNEL
    75.410
    61
    75.430
    62
    75.450
    63
    75.470
    64
    75.490
    65
    75.510
    66
    75.530
    67
    75.550
    68
    75.570
    69
    75.590
    70
    75.610
    71
    75.630
    72
    75.650
    73
    75.670
    74
    75.690
    75
    75.710
    76
    75.730
    77
    75.750
    78
    75.770
    79
    75.790
    80
    75.810
    81
    75.830
    82
    75.850
    83
    75.870
    84
    75.890
    85
    75.910
    86
    75.930
    87
    75.950
    88
    75.970
    89
    75.990
    90

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    Ni-Cad BATTERY

    CHARGING/DISCHARGING INSTRUCTIONS
    Battery Pack Charging
    Maximum Cycles Per Day: Three, with a 1-2 hour rest period between cycles.
    CAPACITY STANDARD CHARGE FAST CHARGE DISCHARGE TIME
    250mah AAA 50mah ~ 7-8 hours 350mah ~ 1 hour 55 minutes @ 250mah
    600mah 2/3 A 100mah ~ 7-8 hours 900mah ~ 1 hour 64 minutes @ 600mah
    850mah AA 100mah ~ 10-11 hours 1000mah ~ 1 hour 60 minutes @ 850mah
    1100mah AA 100mah ~ 12-14 hours 1200mah ~ 1 hour 60 minutes @ 1100mah
    1400mah A 100mah ~ 14-16 hours 1800mah ~ 1 hour 60 minutes @ 1400mah
    1500mah A 150mah ~ 14-16 hours 2300mah ~ 1 hour 60 minutes @ 1500mah
    1700mah A 150mah ~ 14-16 hours 2600mah ~ 1 hour 62 minutes @ 1700mah
    1200mah sub-C 100mah ~ 14-16 hours 2.4amps ~ 40 min. 200 seconds @ 20 amps
    1500mah sub-C 150mah ~ 14-16 hours 3.0amps ~ 40 min. 250 seconds @ 20 amps
    1700mah sub-C 200mah ~ 14-16 hours 3.4amps ~ 40 min. 300 seconds @ 20 amps
    2100mah sub-C 200mah ~ 14-16 hours 4.0amps ~ 40 min. 350 seconds @ 20 amps
    2400mah sub-C 200mah ~ 14-16 hours 5.0amps ~ 35 min. 410 seconds @ 20 amps

    Battery Pack Discharging

    Always discharge the battery packs fully before charging again. You can easily make your own discharger as follows; For small packs such as AA & A wire together 2 (4 amps) #1157 automotive turn signal bulbs in parallel). For Large sub-C packs wire 5 (10 amps) bulbs in parallel. Discharge the pack until the lights are dim or until the pack reaches the following voltage;
    Note: Discharge cutoff voltage: .90 volts per cell
    Cells 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12
    Cutoff .90v 1.80v 2.70v 3.6v 4.5v 5.4v 6.3v 7.2v 8.1v 9.0v 10.8v

    Battery Pack Maintenance

    1.) New battery packs will require 4-6 full charge /discharge cycles to reach full capacity.
    2.) Charging a pack that has not been discharged will destroy it, if you are using a Timed charger it will keep on trying to charge the pack even if it is fully charged…The battery will then output the extra power in heat and will cause the cells to vent and loose capacity.
    3.) Always let the batteries cool before charging and discharging.
    4.) Batteries should be charged with a peak charger for the most accurate results. If you do not have a peak charger hook a multi-meter up to the pack and monitor the voltage once the voltage peaks and starts going down the pack has been fully charged. Another way to tell when a pack is near fully charged is when it is warm to the touch (not to hot to handle).
    5.) Do not leave your batteries charged when not using them, always discharge them.
    Information provided by ONLY BATTERY PACKS

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    Ni-MH BATTERY
    CHARGING/DISCHARGING INSTRUCTIONS
    Battery Pack Charging
    Maximum Cycles Per Day: Three, with a 1-2 hour rest period between cycles.
    CAPACITY STANDARD CHARGE FAST CHARGE DISCHARGE TIME
    300mah 2/3 AAA 50mah ~ 7-8 hours 300mah ~ 1 hour 55 minutes @ 250mah
    550mah AAA 100mah ~ 7-8 hours 550mah ~ 1 hour 64 minutes @ 600mah
    850mah FLAT 100mah ~ 10-11 hours 850mah ~ 1 hour 65 minutes @ 850mah
    1000mah 2/3 A 100mah ~ 14-16 hours 1.0amps ~ 1.1 hour 60 minutes @ 1000mah
    1200mah AA 100mah ~ 14-16 hours 1.2amps ~ 1.1 hour 62 minutes @ 1200mah
    1600mah AA 100mah ~ 18-20 hours 1.6amps ~ 1.1 hour 60 minutes @ 1500mah
    1700mah 4/5 A 150mah ~ 14-16 hours 1.7amps ~ 1.1 hour 62 minutes @ 1700mah
    1800mah 4/5 A 150mah ~ 14-16 hours 1.8amps ~ 1.1 hour 62 minutes @ 1700mah
    1900mah A 100mah ~ 20-22 hours 1.0amps ~ 3.0 hours 65 minutes @ 1900mah
    2700mah A 100mah ~ 27-29 hours 1.0amps ~ 3.0 hours 35 minutes @ 5amps
    2700mah sub-C 250mah ~ 14-16 hours 2.7amps ~ 1.1 hour 450+ seconds @ 20 amps
    3000mah sub-C 300mah ~ 14-16 hours 3.0amps ~ 1.1 hour 480+ seconds @ 20 amps
    3300mah sub-C 300mah ~ 17-19hours 3.3amps ~ 1.1 hour 480+ seconds @ 20 amps
    4500mah C 400mah ~ 14-16 hours 4.5amps ~ 1.1 hour 60 minutes @ 4.5 amps
    8000mah D 600mah ~ 14-16 hours 8.0amps ~ 1.1 hour 60 minutes @ 8 amps

    Battery Pack Discharging

    It is not necessary to "deep discharge" your cells after use, for these cells do not develop a discharge "memory" like Ni-Cad cells. In fact, it is recommended that if you are storing these packs for more than a few days that you keep some charge left in them. If you want to fully discharge them do not discharge lower than .85v per cell minimizing the possibility of cell reversal. You can easily make your own discharger as follows; For small packs such as AA & A wire together 2 (4 amps) #1157 automotive turn signal bulbs in parallel). For Large sub-C packs wire 5 (10 amps) bulbs in parallel. Discharge the pack until the lights are dim or until the pack reaches the following voltage;
    Note: Discharge cutoff voltage: .85 volts per cell
    Cells 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12
    Cutoff .85v 1.70v 2.55v 3.40v 4.25v 5.10v 5.95v 6.80v 7.65v 8.50v 10.2v

    Battery Pack Maintenance

    1.) Nickel-Metal Hydride cells are more sensitive to heat than Nicads, so be sure not to overcharge them. Overcharging may cause the cells to vent and loose capacity. It is recommended that you charge with an charger that has an adjustable Delta Peak detection circuit (set to .01-.02v) eliminating the possibility of overcharging. Nickel-Metal Hydride cells will quickly get hot after the voltage starts dropping, so keep track of the time on the charger. Heating your battery pack up beyond ambient room temperature indicates an overcharge condition and will lead to cell damage.
    2.) NiMH vs. NiCad; Although Nicad batteries give higher average voltage numbers when tested on matching Machines, this is due to NiCads having a high initial "peak" voltage which burns away quickly within the first minute. The Nickel-Metal Hydride cells actually carry more usable voltage over the entire discharge cycle. You will notice that the NiMH cells will have more punch later in the discharge cycle than NiCads.
    3.) Store your NiMH with some voltage left in them. Do not dead short them, or store them on a resister.
    Information provided by ONLY BATTERY PACKS

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